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by sinere-advisor » March 7, 2008 at 5:48 am #77765

1) E. Cava contains Seanol.

2) Seanol is a potent ACE inhibitor :

quote :
“Individuals with hypertension have likely been prescribed an ACE inhibitor. ACE
inhibitors block a kidney enzyme system than can generate hypertension. SEANOL
compounds can potently suppress ACE. In a rat study, the renal artery was clipped,
stimulating the organ to make the hormone rennin which in turn stimulates ACE to
increase blood pressure. SEANOL was compared to the drug, enalapril (Vasotec).
SEANOL showed a similar blood pressure lowering profile. But unlike the rats given the
drug, SEANOL rats did not show the rebound in blood pressure when the product was
stopped. SEANOL has more than 15 times the power to inhibit ACE as the most
powerful land based polyphenols.”

3) ACE inhibitors in general can cause hair loss as a side :

quote :
“Although skin rashes are seen with captopril, cutaneous reactions including life-threatening angioedema, pruritus, bullous eruptions, urticaria, other generalized rashes, photosensitivity, and hair loss can occur with any of the ACE inhibitors. ACE inhibitor skin reactions thus mimic a broad variety of skin diseases, and these drugs should be considered when sudden, unexplainable skin eruptions occur.”

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by sinere-advisor » March 7, 2008 at 6:49 am #77767

They compared Seanol to enalapril (see my above post). Enalapril is listed in this list of hair loss causing medications :

On the other hand, enalapril does not seem to be a strong hair loss inducer (if at all):

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by DirkDiggler » March 7, 2008 at 7:31 am #77775

oh oh,does it mean that Seanol may in fact worsen kidney function in the long term like ACE Inhibitors do?Seanol lowers blood pressure,so it’s possible to be tired on EC.

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by sinere-advisor » March 7, 2008 at 8:19 am #77785

good point, my blood pressure is already low (too low I have the impression sometimes)

DirkDiggler said:
oh oh,does it mean that Seanol may in fact worsen kidney function in the long term like ACE Inhibitors do?Seanol lowers blood pressure,so it’s possible to be tired on EC.

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by wheresthefro » March 7, 2008 at 9:40 am #77799

Oh man…I’m really confused about Seanol now….i don’t knowwhat to make of it anymore…..IH have you any input here that may clear things up for us?

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sinere-advisor said:
good point, my blood pressure is already low (too low I have the impression sometimes)

DirkDiggler said:
oh oh,does it mean that Seanol may in fact worsen kidney function in the long term like ACE Inhibitors do?Seanol lowers blood pressure,so it’s possible to be tired on EC.

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by wheresthefro » March 7, 2008 at 9:41 am #77800

Oh man…I’m really confused about Seanol now….i don’t know what to make of it anymore…..IH have you any input here that may clear things up for us?

Thanks

sinere-advisor said:
good point, my blood pressure is already low (too low I have the impression sometimes)

DirkDiggler said:
oh oh,does it mean that Seanol may in fact worsen kidney function in the long term like ACE Inhibitors do?Seanol lowers blood pressure,so it’s possible to be tired on EC.

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by sinere-advisor » March 7, 2008 at 10:04 am #77804

I use it because of the MMP-inhibition for the skin not for my hair. I did not care if it helps hair growth or does nothing. But I am not sure if I want to use something which causes hair loss. But as you can see from one of the above links, hair loss was reported only in 1% of the people who use that medication (e…) which was compared with Seanol. Likely we won`t notice any small effect, even if it is present.

wheresthefro said:
Oh man…I’m really confused about Seanol now….i don’t knowwhat to make of it anymore…..IH have you any input here that may clear things up for us?

Thanks

sinere-advisor said:
good point, my blood pressure is already low (too low I have the impression sometimes)

DirkDiggler said:
oh oh,does it mean that Seanol may in fact worsen kidney function in the long term like ACE Inhibitors do?Seanol lowers blood pressure,so it’s possible to be tired on EC.

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by ImmortalHair904 » March 7, 2008 at 11:13 am #150896

It’s quite frequent that medications, which are patent reconfigurations of molecles are compared with natural agents.

They are quite different and cannot be compared, as the mechanism of action of a synthetic chemical is inherently imbalanced.

Natural molecules already have co-factors, and work with the bodys physiology.

Vitamin D is a natural ACE inhibitor.
Certain fish peptides from bonito fish exhibit ACE inhibtion.

However, unnatural ACE inhibitors like Enalapril (Vasotec) and their “cousins” very frequently cause sides. I know, get patients off those poisons.

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by sinere-advisor » March 7, 2008 at 11:23 am #77814

But isn`t it the ACE inhibition effect itself which causes the hair loss (although with little frequency) ? If it were due to another effect of the drug then why is the side effect hair loss common with many different ACE inhibitor drugs ?

But if it is the ACE inhibition itself which (may) cause hair loss, what “co-factor” in EC is it which compensates this effect/renders it harmless?

ImmortalHair said:

It’s quite frequent that medications, which are patent reconfigurations of molecles are compared with natural agents.

They are quite different and cannot be compared, as the mechanism of action of a synthetic chemical is inherently imbalanced.

Natural molecules already have co-factors, and work with the bodys physiology.

Vitamin D is a natural ACE inhibitor.
Certain fish peptides from bonito fish exhibit ACE inhibtion.

However, unnatural ACE inhibitors like Enalapril (Vasotec) and their “cousins” very frequently cause sides. I know, get patients off those poisons.

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by Sandman729 » March 7, 2008 at 1:32 pm #150899

ImmortalHair asserts in regard to pharmaceuticals in general;

“I know, get patients off those poisons.”

Of course what ImmortalHair fails to point out that there are many “poisons” among the so called “natual” compounds that can casue adverse side effects including death.

Also, possible adverse side effects from pharmaceuticals are far better know then with so called “natural compounds”, becasue they been tested to a far greater degree.

The bottom line with Seanol/EC is that no one, including ImmortalHair, knows whether the stuff will cause you to grow or lose hair, or do nothing whatsoever.

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by DirkDiggler » March 7, 2008 at 5:05 pm #77864

Great find Sinere.. i’m a little bit scared,too.Is there anybody outside,who experienced any side effects like Hairloss or tiredness?

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by ImmortalHair904 » March 7, 2008 at 6:57 pm #150904

If X = “said action” doesn’t always = same response in the human system.

People over simplify anything they don’t understand.

What’s certain is, when you have a drug, it is an imbalanced, guaranteed imbalance to your system.

Natural (most) are not only non-toxic, they exert actions purely positive to human physiology.

Anyone that believe’s that pharmaceuticals are superior to natural agents for REAL health has been sold a belief that has no proof. It’s become a religion of medicine.

Only 25% of conventional treatments have any proven efficacy. That means 75% of the treatments practiced everyday do not work have ZERO proof of efficacy.

Unfortunately, most trained in medicine believe what they’re told, it’s like the Ancel keys bogus theory of cholesterol.

There’s really no incentive to fix this, because revenue is not “broken.” The system exists to earn money, period.

Pharmaceutical companies have their hand in medical institutions, everything from tuition assists, to medical journal ads. It’s inescapable and difficult to shake.

Statin medications, Proton pump inhibitors, calcium channel blockers, beta blockers, blood thinners, immunosuppressants, steroid treatments, uncalled for 90% of the time.

Very intelligent people believe this shit is good.

If you have heart disease, suffered a stroke, have diabetes, hypertension, have an autoimmune disease, dementia, Parkinson’s, Alzheimer’s don’t mess with convention crap. Instead, find a competant integrative physician, knowledgeable in both medicine, pharmacology, and nutrition.

What I see in practice would shock and surprise anyone. Because they actually GET well by getting OFF the drugs and on natural therapies and natural supplements.

Your average doctor has never heard of most of these options. They are not trained in them, and worse are discouraged from their recommendation.

Health care has become sick management.

Propaganda is just about all that you and I hear from day to day.

Sandman, you would be a marvelous Pharmaceutical rep. I would make the worst one, b/c I wouldn’t earn the companies a single penny.

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by ImmortalHair904 » March 7, 2008 at 6:58 pm #150905

If X = “said action” doesn’t always = same response in the human system.

People over simplify anything they don’t understand.

What’s certain is, when you have a drug, it is an guaranteed imbalance to your system.

Natural (most) are not only non-toxic, they exert actions purely positive to human physiology.

Anyone that believe’s that pharmaceuticals are superior to natural agents for REAL health has been sold a belief that has no proof. It’s become a religion of medicine.

Only 25% of conventional treatments have any proven efficacy. That means 75% of the treatments practiced everyday do not work have ZERO proof of efficacy.

Unfortunately, most trained in medicine believe what they’re told, it’s like the Ancel keys bogus theory of cholesterol.

There’s really no incentive to fix this, because revenue is not “broken.” The system exists to earn money, period.

Pharmaceutical companies have their hand in medical institutions, everything from tuition assists, to medical journal ads. It’s inescapable and difficult to shake.

Statin medications, Proton pump inhibitors, calcium channel blockers, beta blockers, blood thinners, immunosuppressants, steroid treatments, uncalled for 90% of the time.

Very intelligent people believe this shit is good.

If you have heart disease, suffered a stroke, have diabetes, hypertension, have an autoimmune disease, dementia, Parkinson’s, Alzheimer’s don’t mess with convention crap. Instead, find a competant integrative physician, knowledgeable in both medicine, pharmacology, and nutrition.

What I see in practice would shock and surprise anyone. Because they actually GET well by getting OFF the drugs and on natural therapies and natural supplements.

Your average doctor has never heard of most of these options. They are not trained in them, and worse are discouraged from their recommendation.

Health care has become sick management.

Propaganda is just about all that you and I hear from day to day.

Sandman, you would be a marvelous Pharmaceutical rep. I would make the worst one, b/c I wouldn’t earn the companies a single penny.

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by BobTheBuilder » March 8, 2008 at 5:03 am #77924

“People over simplify anything they don’t understand.”

IH something you fail is to list sides or bad points about agents you advertise especially to people that “”don’t understand”".

Thought Jake would be all over this thread.

“However, unnatural ACE inhibitors like Enalapril (Vasotec) and their “cousins” very frequently cause sides.”"

but this is all so very true.

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by sinere-advisor » March 8, 2008 at 5:26 am #77926

Jake must be ill or something, lol.

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