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I'm kind of losing faith.. (lasers)

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by amsch » February 11, 2009 at 12:03 pm #111863

Hi there guys.

I’ve been researching a lot about LLLT in the past few days. And the more I see, the more faith I loose.

Check it out: Almost every LLLT only pic I find, shows thicker hair, but LESS of it. As I said before, i noticed the same with OMG and Iknewthisdaywouldcome’s pics. That would be the cosmetic effect i was previously talking about.

Another example:

Great gallery of course! But if you do some research, many of those patients are on other treatments OR even Hair-Transplant Patients!

I mean, why on earth shall this dr. Mohmand show pics of HT patients and say it’s the result of LLLT? I’ll tell you why! He turns out to be a member Hairmax laser comb Medical Advisor Team! AND NO, i do not tell this because Dr. Feller said so, i found this in my own research. Took me 2 minutes.

Here’s something about Dr. Bauman:
Check out his photo gallery of LLLT-users:
First of all, you’re notice that there are just pics of females. Why is that?
Ok, let’s look closer to some pics. Some of them show really good improvement, but many on many of the after pictures the hair is longer, the color is different and on some there is even some clear worsening of the hair.

I visited many pages of companies offering LLLT-treatments. I wrote them mails and asked them if they used LLLT-only for their before and after pics. And guess what? Either they tell me that they used their own topical treatments (which contain minox & Co.) or I did not get a response at all. WHY ON EARTH IS THAT?!!!!! If lllt would work by itself, than WHY does noone want to share pictures?!

Let’s get back to the forums. JDP opened up that great topic of 42 or so positive testimonials from Laser-users! However, WHY ON EARTH are there NO BEFORE PICTURES? “We’re not professionals” IS NOT AN EXCUSE FOR THAT! DAMN! Members on other boards with the slightest success were still able to proof their words with pictures.

THE ONLY (somehow) good lllt-only before and after pics where made by jdp so far. But he just showed his temples, he said to have had great improvement of hair thickness (front and crown), but he doesn’t want to share them. Strange..

So afterall I still think, that LLLT JUST MAY just show a cosmetic effect of thicker hair, but is not promoting hair growth/stopping hair loss.

Please guys, I really hope that you can proof me wrong! I’d hate to see that this promising attempt fails. I, for example, can’t take propecia at all, and i just turned 20. LLLT seemed to be the perfect thing for me! However now, i’m getting depressed again. I know, a lot of haters like cpio gonna tell me now “FUCK OFF YOU FUCKING BASTARD IF YOU DON’T BELIEVE IN LASERS WHAT ARE YOU STILL DOING HERE?! I’LL EAT YOUR BABIES!!111″ and stuff but that was not i was trying to achieve.

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by Arsenal » February 11, 2009 at 12:39 pm #111867

How can you lose faith in something you haven’t tried? The info that OMG posted about lasers was enough for me to give them a shot with a 70 diode device.

The more research I did about hairloss, the less I “ohh’d and ahh’d” over before and after pics. Frankly, nothing works that great and absolutely nothing works 100% for everyone. It’s all about finding what works best for your own noggin.

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by Jacob » February 11, 2009 at 12:49 pm #111868

I think the fact that most aren’t just using lasers(here), and are looking into other topicals etc…well, it’s a good thing.

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by jdp710 » February 11, 2009 at 12:50 pm #111869
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by glaxom » February 11, 2009 at 12:58 pm #111872

Dude, the way i look my laser treatment is…….if it works great , if it doesn’t it’s not the end of the world and i’m not gonna whine, fret, wimper, or suck my thumb and ask mommy to make it all better. Good lord man, you just turned 20! If you get this stressed and depressed over this laser treatment how in the world are you gonna make it in the world? It’s not your opinion of lasers that has set me off it’s just your insecurity and lack of masculinity in facing problems in life that we all have and we all deal with.

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by OverMachoGrande » February 11, 2009 at 12:58 pm #111873

Amsch… I’m sorry, but this is simply idiotic. The point’s you made in your post are stupid.

You said: “JDP opened up that great topic of 42 or so positive testimonials from Laser-users! However, WHY ON EARTH are there NO BEFORE PICTURES? “We’re not professionals” IS NOT AN EXCUSE FOR THAT! DAMN! Members on other boards with the slightest success were still able to proof their words with pictures.” ..there is so much wrong with that, that I don’t even know where to start.

I give up with you! Your main problem, though, is you are completely clueless about the limitation of what pictures show. I’ve had EXPERTS look at my pictures -and you are NOT an expert- who have said that my hair is AMAZING DIFFERENT -PROUFOUNDLY, even.

You’re not an expert… you’re the one not “doing this right”, not US.

Once again, I’ll explain to you what you are seeing: What you are actually seeing is the contrast. Cameras don’t take pictures like the human eye sees. Brighter areas “wash out” the darker areas, so if you have a lot of dark hair, those white scalp areas are going to be more pronounced -ONLY in the pictures. That’s one reason why pictures are horrible.

You don’t have to take my word for it, though. You’ll prove it to yourself. Go ahead and take before pictures, and then on six months when you start having noticeable results, you’ll take pictures, get them on the computer screen, and you’ll see exactly what I’m talking about. What you see in the picture will NOT be what you see in the mirror because of the way the camera eye handles the contrast!

I don’t know what else to tell you… PLEASE, stop lasers then! lol… Or, use them, get results, take pictures, and then see how you react when someone says something IDIOTIC about your pictures.

Look, I’m sorry I sound so harsh, but even cute little puppies need to be swatted in the nose with news papers. You are no expert, and you are proving that you can’t even damn look at the obvious well.

-O.M.G.

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by OverMachoGrande » February 11, 2009 at 1:07 pm #111874

AND LOOK… straight from the laser babe’s mouth: “What the hell is he talking about?! You have so much more hair it’s ridiculous!”

AMSCH… for f*cks sake, dude… get a clue that your wrong! lol…

You’re *wrong* on all of this. …And if you don’t like the fact that many of us didn’t take before pictures to satisfy YOU, I don’t care! You’re a KID, and kid’s traditionally do stupid things -like want to put balding pictures of themselves on the internet. Most people here are AT LEAST in their 30′s, and we don’t f*ckin’ want to put balding pictures of ourselves on the internet. It’s that simple! SCREW THAT…

If you we’re right in front of me, I’d slap you around a little -I’d buy you a beer afterwards- but you need to have some sense slapped into you! lol… My GOD!

-O.M.G.

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by OverMachoGrande » February 11, 2009 at 1:08 pm #111875

AND LOOK… straight from the laser babe’s mouth: “What the hell is he talking about?! You have so much more hair it’s ridiculous! He’s saying WHAT?!”

LMAO… AMSCH… for f*cks sake, dude… get a clue here! lol…

You’re *wrong* on all of this. …And if you don’t like the fact that many of us didn’t take before pictures to satisfy YOU, I don’t care! You’re a KID, and kid’s traditionally do stupid things -like wanting to put balding pictures of themselves on the internet. Most people here are AT LEAST in their 30′s, and we don’t f*ckin’ want to put balding pictures of ourselves on the internet. It’s that simple! SCREW THAT.

If you we’re right in front of me, I’d slap you around a little -I’d buy you a beer afterwards- but you need to have some sense slapped into you! lol… My GOD!

-O.M.G.

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by OverMachoGrande » February 11, 2009 at 1:12 pm #111876

I’m confused… either you smoke TOO MUCH pot or not enough. lol… PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE stop using lasers! I don’t want you in our sample group anymore! I’m sure someone in here will buy your diodes!

ALSO… You’re also the ONLY ONE -out of 60- that has had problems with the helmet fitting. Some people have bigger heads than you, too, but yet YOURS is the one that doesn’t fit. That doesn’t surprise me. You can’t figure out how to use Toppik, you can’t look at an obvious before and after picture and see what is right in front of your face, you are doubting people’s testimonials, you are INSULTING people that don’t want to put up pictures, your speaking about things that you don’t know anything about, you’ve got a crap theory that NO ONE in the world agrees with yet you keep repeating it to no end, and you’re the only one in the world so far that can’t get the helmet to fit right. All makes sense to me!

I’m putting 2 and 2 together here, Amsch!

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by oofah » February 11, 2009 at 1:20 pm #111878

If you think it’s all a big scam or that everyone who thinks they’re seeing results is simply delusional, then don’t laser.

The majority of people here who are lasering started primarily on OMG’s positive testimonials – it’s a chance we all took. I took a chance on numerous supplements that didn’t do shit for me – until a real solution for baldness comes along, this is how it’s going to work. Someone will say something works or doesn’t and then it’s your decision to take the “plunge.”

You seem to have some convincing evidence that lasers only thicken hair, so you should approach the matter this way “you guys are all being duped by spending your money on lasers, but I’ll be the smart one and spend my money on more “proven” methods,” and leave it at that.

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by Yubs » February 11, 2009 at 1:20 pm #111879

I think amsch may have a devil’s advocate complex. ;-)

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by amsch » February 11, 2009 at 1:20 pm #111880

The toppik seller turned out to be NOT legit (got a PM from an HLT-user who had the same problem with the same seller). And I thought I convinced you already about the big head thing…

Alright than, omg. I got it. Please stop making fun of me, ok? I have enough problems anyway..

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by OverMachoGrande » February 11, 2009 at 1:23 pm #111881

Amsch, I love you like the Austrian little brother I never had! lol… That means that I’m more inclined to rip you a new one when you say these things!

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by amsch » February 11, 2009 at 1:25 pm #111883

See you guys…

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by OverMachoGrande » February 11, 2009 at 1:26 pm #111884

…And I’ll point out that no matter what MY pictures show, my hair in person is jaw-droppingly better, and yes… my hair count has radically INCREASED. Not decreased.

You need to get a camera and start taking pictures of your head. I don’t know if you have the discipline to stick with the best treatment available (lasers), but if you do… you’ll see results. Then, you’ll try to take pictures of those results, and like everyone else, you’ll be sorely disappointed and say the same things that we all do. “It’ too bad that cameras don’t truly capture the depth of what is going on here”.

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