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by hairisgood » July 19, 2009 at 8:24 am #128042

Haven’t been here for a while but here are results after about 4 months I think. I tried to take the pictures with the same angle, same place, and with the same light. One thing that I notice even without taking a picture is that the color is richer in my hair. I think this is because the hair is healthier. It hasn’t filled in completely but I feel that it will given the full year. It’s feels different. Its feels fuzzy(not as empty like the hair is gone) and once those hairs become thicker through a couple cycles it should improve more.

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by laserkid » July 19, 2009 at 8:50 am #128045

WOW, great results! Do you use any topicals/internals? Or are you just on the laser

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by N0rwegianKid » July 19, 2009 at 9:19 am #128046

Looks good, congrats Yeah, tell us about the rest of your regimen

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by OverMachoGrande » July 19, 2009 at 12:01 pm #128061

That’s pretty damn good… for a “ginger kid”. lol… No, seriously, that looks awesome!

Yeah, I’m interested in what else you are using, too. I’m still trying to decide whether or not I want to use one of those growth factor topicals, or maybe something different altogether, but I can’t get past the fact that it seems like the people getting the best results are the ones that are barely doing anything else -including me.

I think that maybe me just using zix whenever I feel like it might actually be the best route. So, what I’m saying is I may “puss out” when it comes time to trying to find another topical.

On a side note… I’ll have my 400-500 diode Laser Messiah II up and running in the next two weeks, and I actually used someone’s 415 helmet a couple of times, and it was FANTASTIC. My scalp felt like it did when I first started the original Laser Messiah, and remember… I’ve been using laser therapy for almost 20 months so I’ve gotten used to it. More diodes really do make a difference in the sensation you get.

What I’m about to say is probably coincidental, I’m sure, but I haven’t had any new transplant hairs come up in about two weeks, and after the second time I used the 415 I now have another big round of the “pre-bumps” on my head that happen right before the hairs break through the surface. Yeah, I know… it’s probably not related -although it is probably related to laser therapy in general- but it’s still one of those things that you LIKE to have happen when you are experimenting with a crap load of diodes! lol…

-O.M.G.

PS- FYI… imagine what they would look like if they were taken with a high quality camera instead of a normal one! ()

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by hairisgood » July 19, 2009 at 12:25 pm #128064

just on the laser and sometimes i take some supplements. but real results only came when i started using the 325 diode laser helmet i built. it seems you need a full coverage device to get enough stimulation to get good results. i tend to agree with omg that the lasers are what works and nothing else is really needed. i feel like other stuff may give you marginally better results or could give you worse (such as rogaine) but there is definitely a point of diminishing returns. why spend a fortune on topicals when it MAY make your results one percent better and the lasers are providing 99 percent of the results?

lately i’ve just started to get sore. it’s almost like my scalp was mildly sunburnt or something but goes away the next day. it’s tender and a little red at the center of my crown. the soreness is only where the scalp isnt completely healthy at the center of the crown. when i look at other parts of my scalp they are really healthy but the center of the crown still isn’t there yet. the lasers seem to heal the MPB condition from the outside in. before it used to be a much larger area of scalp that wasn’t all that healthy. i don’t have any itch or anything it just doesn’t look like the rest of the scalp where i have thicker, healthier hair.

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by OverMachoGrande » July 19, 2009 at 12:36 pm #128066

When you get some time, you should put together a nose blood irradiation device, and then maybe go on to a face device based on the same way you built your helmet (I’ll have instructions for that next month, but I’m sure you can figure out how to do it yourself). I’m using those things, and I find I have better all-over stimulation when I do them, and I think the more laser therapy on your body -even areas that AREN’T your head- will prove out to accent even your hair results.

Plus, I expect the face device to have some impact on my looks. A “toned face” has been proven to be more attractive than a non-toned one, and no… I don’t have my finger on that report but it was one of those things that I read a long time ago…. like more girls selected the picture with a toned face than one with a normal face, and it was actually the same person and one picture was just modified or something like that. Whatever. lol… I don’t need a study to tell me that if my face was more toned, in a “mini-facelift” sort of way, I’d be better looking.

I can’t really do before and after pictures for that, though, because I don’t expect a bunch of balding men to rate pictures of mine as “better looking”. lol…

-O.M.G.

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by OverMachoGrande » July 19, 2009 at 12:38 pm #128067

Oh, plus, I’d really need to stay the same weight for that, too, and as some of you know more than others, I’m not going to stay the same weight, the loss of fat on my double chin radically affects my looks, and I’m not going to hold off on the laser face device or the weightloss just for the sake of science. lol…

But what I really wanted to say that I forgot was that I’ve found that when I use the face and nose devices, I tend to get more sore in a “good way”. Basically like a good stimulation feeling that lasts for a couple of days. So, if you do those, see if you notice more of an overall “synergy”.

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by laserkid » July 19, 2009 at 12:49 pm #128068

Are you guys saying that you need a full coverage helmet to get results? I was thinking of building a 200 diode helmet (well 201 so I get the bulk discount). Or should I push for 300 to get the best results?

Maybe I’ll start with 200 and if I see improvement then upgrade to 300+. What do you guys suggest? BTW most, if not all of my mpb is at the front, which is where I was gonna concentrate all the laser power. Is there any advantage in also covering the area at the back which (so far!) hasn’t got any signs of mpb.

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by OverMachoGrande » July 19, 2009 at 12:55 pm #128071

One more thing, Hairisgood. then I swear I’ll leave and let others comment! lol…

I would like your reaction to something. I’m going to put a few quotes here -quotes that were actually said by a certain “respected doctor” with a huge following in the hair loss communities:

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“LLLT can’t work for many reasons. One of the most obvious is that laser light cannot, under any circumstance, penetrate the skin’s “optical barrier”. There are no exceptions and this reality serves as a fatal blow to the LLLT industry.”

“On two other forums I have asked for LLLT before/after results from the public. After over 10,000 views not a single LLLT advocate could produce even ONE set of convincing photos.

LLLT, from a basic physics standpoint, is absolutely unviable. There are several reasons for this, but the most obvious is that the laser light simply can’t reach the body of the hair follicle due to the skins natural “optical barrier”. Everybodys skin has such a barrier and it is 100% impermiable to laser light, everytime. This was a major oversite on the part of the LLLT industry and it is causing them much trouble.”

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So, hairisgood, I would be absolutely honored if you could please take a few seconds of your time to respond to those statements for me!

Thank you!

-John Christian (O.M.G.)

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by OverMachoGrande » July 19, 2009 at 12:57 pm #128072

One more thing, Hairisgood. then I swear I’ll leave and let others comment! lol…

I would like your reaction to something. I’m going to put a few quotes here -quotes that were actually said by a certain “respected doctor” with a huge following in the hair loss communities:

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“LLLT can’t work for many reasons. One of the most obvious is that laser light cannot, under any circumstance, penetrate the skin’s “optical barrier”. There are no exceptions and this reality serves as a fatal blow to the LLLT industry.”

“On two other forums I have asked for LLLT before/after results from the public. After over 10,000 views not a single LLLT advocate could produce even ONE set of convincing photos.

LLLT, from a basic physics standpoint, is absolutely unviable. There are several reasons for this, but the most obvious is that the laser light simply can’t reach the body of the hair follicle due to the skins natural “optical barrier”. Everybodys skin has such a barrier and it is 100% impermiable to laser light, everytime. This was a major oversite on the part of the LLLT industry and it is causing them much trouble.”

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So, hairisgood, I would be absolutely honored if you could please take a few seconds of your time to respond to those statements for me!

Thank you!

-John Christian (O.M.G.) omg@

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by hairisgood » July 19, 2009 at 12:57 pm #128073

do you have any pictures of your devices? do you just stick a diode up your nose? do you need a more powerful diode like a 40mw like jdp170 has? (came up when i googled nose blood irridation) i assume you got laser goggles for when you use the lasers on your face? it wouldn’t be that hard to take a mold off your face then build something that you could put on like a mask. the weight of the diodes might be an issue though.

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by hairisgood » July 19, 2009 at 1:17 pm #128076

well i would say that guy doesn’t know what he’s talking about. that is for certain. but he is right about one thing, a laser is not going to regrow dead follicles. if you have a slick bald area you will need a transplant. some people on here have the wrong mentality. they think lasers should make a norwood 7 into a norwood 1 in 3 months or something. but obviously once the follicles are dead they can’t be revived. completely stopping hairloss and reviving whats still there is still quite extraordinary. not having to worry about going bald.. only worrying about how much it will grow back.. that’s a great feeling. i think after lasering for a year i will have quite good before and after photos. after all i am only in the beginning stages of lasering.

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by OverMachoGrande » July 19, 2009 at 1:28 pm #128078

I’ll leave the discussion of the face device for another day because I’m only using my “transplant scar device”, just turned around to cover my face, and it doesn’t cover under my chin or up my sideburns yet! I want to make sure I know what I’m talking about before I go into details about it!

…But it WILL cover the sideburns, have a nose slit in it, and it will wrap around the chin and cover probably most of the way to the neck. The “transplant scar device” doesn’t bother my eyes because I used a very “spongy” piece of foam as a barrier, so it curves to my cheeks perfectly and doesn’t let any light get to my eyes. I’ll probably do the same thing with this face device. I may make the new face device fit pretty tightly around my laser goggles, but I wouldn’t mind it stopping a little short of that. I DO NOT want the light anywhere close to my eyes, and it’s going to be at least an inch of open space in each direction!

I really do want to treat “crows feat”, but frankly… my crows feat are already radically reduced from the helmet that is inches above it, so I think that it’ll be getting enough of the “good stuff” if it gets lllt close to it on the sideburns and below it.

As far as the nose device, here is a thread in which we talk about it:

…And here is a thread that talks about all of the benefits of laser blood irradiation (thank you, JDP710!):

Just MAKE SURE YOU USE THE LENS CAPS!

-O.M.G.

PS- You’re being waaaaay too kind to that doctor. He doesn’t even know you, and if he saw those pictures, he would already think that you are a fraud! Go ask him!

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by BobbieDoolie » July 19, 2009 at 9:29 pm #128143

People on other forums for the most part are very anti laser. It’s like a weird derangment, they automatically say it doesn’t work with no real backing. It’s like they heard the laser wand thing is crap – which it is. and so now they believe all laser devices are crap.

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