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by eidos » December 21, 2006 at 1:57 pm #42589

Overall for hairloss, which is better to look for when buying a pomegranate extract product…one standarized for ellagic acid or punicalagins?

Swanson’s is standarized for 70% ellagic acid, but does that mean i’m getting less punicalagins?

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by ImmortalHair904 » December 21, 2006 at 2:13 pm #146537

eidos – This will answer the question.

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by eidos » December 21, 2006 at 2:30 pm #42591

THanks. I guess i’ll have to find some other provider as Swanson might be completely useless:

When punicalagins hydrolyze (break up) into ellagic acid during processing and storage of juices and extracts, their ability to offer antioxidant potency to the body is wasted, since free ellagic acid has not been found to be bioavailable or bioactive. But when punicalagins are preserved and then consumed, they can offer the researched health benefits of ellagic acid, which can only be absorbed into the bloodstream in this way.

Even their suposedly better Pomengranate extract is questionable as it is standarized for “punicosides”, not punicalagins. (Wiki says of punicosides: “stuff from pomegranates”, a new term invented by a clever marketing team and not found in any peer-reviewed journals.

I notice the brand you use is standarized for ellagic acid as well. How come?

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by eidos » December 21, 2006 at 2:48 pm #42593

Beware of pomegranates bearing 40% ellagic Acid

Pomella is insanely expemsive thou, LEF wants cca 12-13$ for 30 caps, for members.

I think i’ll go have to go with Swansons punicosides standarization and hope they contain enough punicalagins.

If anyone knows a cheap pommela source please let me knoe.

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by The_Dice_Man » December 21, 2006 at 4:17 pm #42597

ImmortalHair – what about this particular pomegranate product……..is this good or useless?

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by ImmortalHair904 » December 21, 2006 at 7:55 pm #146538

Other than the LEF version, here are other options:

I think I’ll consider my options on the pomegranate that I’m using, but I’m pretty happy with my results, so not sure if I’ll switch just yet.

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by The_Dice_Man » December 21, 2006 at 9:21 pm #42609

I just emailed swansons about there pomegranate punicoside complex product. I asked what the percentage of the punicalagins was, since it doesnt say on the label. I will see what their reply is.

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by ImmortalHair904 » December 21, 2006 at 9:35 pm #146539

cool deal

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by The_Dice_Man » December 21, 2006 at 9:42 pm #42610

Hey, I just looked on beyond a century and you can get the pomegranate p40p for like $9.50 (25 grams).

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by Sublime » December 22, 2006 at 3:15 pm #42650

If you take all of the supplements that IH mentions it is cheaper to get them individually then all together in the above supplement by about 130 dollars a year.

The product TDM linked to might be the best one in regards to price.

BTW I emailed vitacost inquiring about their percentage so I should hopefully have that sometime.

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by The_Dice_Man » December 23, 2006 at 3:06 pm #42709

Well, I got the a reply from swansons on the punicalagin content of their product.

“I reviewed your question with one of our Product Specialists. Our information doesn’t break the punicosides down to punicalagins and ellagic acid, so, unfortunately, we don’t have specific values. Since we don’t specify to the manufacturer for punicalagin content, we wouldn’t test for that specific component alone. Our apologies for any confusion. If you have any additional questions or concerns, please feel free to contact us.”

I had a feeling I would get a reply like that!!

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by eidos » December 23, 2006 at 3:31 pm #42711

When a product has something patented like, say, Leucoselect for grapeseed extrac, does that mean they get a ready product from the original suplier? Because i asked Swanson’s about weather their Grapeseed extract comes from organic source of grapes, and they told me to check wich Indena (which has developed Leucoselct – and apparently uses organic fruit).

Based on that i assumed they just buy wholesale from them and repackage for themselves. If that was so their p40 should be the same as the originaly producers.

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by ImmortalHair904 » December 23, 2006 at 5:59 pm #146566

eidos – Here’s some info I found interesting. Thanks for bringing this subject up by the way.

The following passage is taken from:

Why Punicalagins?

Punicalagins are the major players behind the antioxidant capacity of pomegranate. These pomegranate ellagitannins can metabolize into smaller polyphenols such as ellagic acid in vivo, and are native in high concentrations unique to pomegranate fruit. Thus they are the only suitable biomarkers for a pomegranate extract whose natural phenolic profile is researched to offer tangible health benefits.

When punicalagins hydrolyze (break up) into ellagic acid during processing and storage of juices and extracts, their ability to offer antioxidant potency to the body is wasted, since free ellagic acid has not been found to be bioavailable or bioactive. But when punicalagins are preserved and then consumed, they can offer the researched health benefits of ellagic acid, which can only be absorbed into the bloodstream in this way.

Punicalagins are 100% water-soluble, highly bioavailable, and supported by safety data. They are shown to possess a high absorption rate up to 95%. And not only do punicalagins offer a powerful kick of antioxidants on their own, they can break up into smaller polyphenols that are also absorbed into the body.

With this said, really makes it unlikely that the 70% POM from vitacost is worthwhile.

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by ImmortalHair904 » December 23, 2006 at 6:06 pm #146567

Check this here:

I’m going to start looking for products with POMELLA┬« extract.

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by Sublime » January 4, 2007 at 5:21 pm #43206

Vitacost said they do not know the content of their product.

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