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Why Super Zix instead of Revivogen? How are the results? Experiences?

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by amsch » August 4, 2008 at 6:16 am #93202

Hi there.

First of all, I’M TERRIBLY SORRY because i’m sure that this topic has been discussed a 100 times. However, this board TYPE sucks, the search function is useless as hell. But however :-) .

So, I just looked a bit closer into the Super ZIX formula. From what I could find out, is that it’s the same as Revivogen just without the AA, because it would have an negative effect to the zinc and B6. Am I right? That sounds really interesting!

However, a bit about me. I startet balding about 2 1/2 years ago, when i was 17. I started propecia last october for about 4-5 months, had very good results with it. The bad thing about it: The side effects. I mean, I can tolerate a lower libido and a bit of temporary liquid semen. But when my left breast suddenly started to grow, i saw no other alternative but to quit the drug.

Since April i’m on revivogen. I shedded a lot for about 3 months, than my shedding reduced. However, my hair is on it’s thinnest state ever. I mean, it’s completely lifeless, thin, strawy and not even curly as it used to be.

I was thinking about changing to super zix. I’m still just 19 years old and really don’t want to be a NW 5 with the age of 21, but if it goes on like this i dont have any chance.

So how about Super Zix? It’s better than Revivogen? Can some people document they’re success stories in detail (how long until hairloss stopped, when did regrowth occur etc.)

If there are negative reviews as well, tell me please!

greets, amsch

OH YEAH, and before i forget. I just wanna tell the creator of ZIX how great he is, spending so much time to help others on their fight against baldness!

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by OverMachoGrande » August 4, 2008 at 8:41 am #93210

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…is one of the main reasons! lol… With Super Zix II, you’re looking at $30 for the hairmuck that will probably last a year, and something like $30-$40 TOPS for the rest of the ingredients, that will last you something like FIVE YEARS.

I had pretty quick results using it, and Joe has something like a less than 1% rate of return on it, which is astounding in the world of hairloss. By the way, yes I’m obviously talking about Super Zix “II” which does contain the hairmuck.

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by amsch » August 4, 2008 at 8:51 am #93215

Thanks for your reply, OMG!
I just read once that a problem of zix may be that it does not use free GLA (like Revivogen) or something like that.

Btw OMG, how you’re doing with introducing your laser helmet to various health authorities all over the world? ;-)

Btw, i’d like to hear some other user experiences as well =)

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by Jacob » August 4, 2008 at 3:59 pm #93260

amsch said:

So, I just looked a bit closer into the Super ZIX formula. From what I could find out, is that it’s the same as Revivogen just without the AA, because it would have an negative effect to the zinc and B6. Am I right? That sounds really interesting!

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I’m not a fan of Revivogen but they added 2 other ingreds recently. And they use liposomes last time I checked…which isn’t happening with a home-made topical.

And if we’re going by % of returns…Hmmmmmmm….

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by Lakers » August 4, 2008 at 4:07 pm #93261

Ive seen more sucess stories online with zix than reviogen. . . Just sayin

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by Lakers » August 4, 2008 at 4:09 pm #93263

Actually……..Ive seen zero Revivogen Success stories in all my time and on all the boards.

jacob–What ingredients? Since when has it been liposomal?

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by Jacob » August 4, 2008 at 4:28 pm #93266

Lakers…have you been to HLT? There are actually some who like Revivogen.

It’s always been “liposomal”. Every place where there’s a write-up/description of Revivogen you’ll see “Addition of liposomal delivery system is another enhancement of Revivogen formula. Liposomes are microscopic lipid packets that are used for delivery of many medications and are commonly used by the pharmaceutical companies in topical preparations. Adding liposomal delivery system further enhances the absorption of the active ingredients into the skin and aids in their delivery to the hair follicle where they can exert their effects.”

Or “uses Transmerol Follicular Delivery System™ (TFDS) to effectively deliver its active ingredients to the hair follicle. TFDS™ utilizes Liposomes …”

On the new ingredients: “In keeping with our commitment to provide the most powerful products for androgenic alopecia using scientifically proven natural ingredients, Advanced Skin and Hair, Inc. announces the addition of two new powerful anti-DHT ingredients to the Revivogen formula. According to a study published in Biochemistry and Pharmacology Journal, among multiple natural ingredients that have the potential to inhibit 5-alpha-reductase activity, octyl gallate and dodecyl gallate have the greatest inhibition of 5-alpha-reductase activity in both cell-free and whole cell assays in vitro. The significance of this finding is that octyl gallate and dodecyl gallate not only inhibit both forms of 5-alpha-reductase enzyme (type I and type II), but more importantly, they can penetrate the cell membrane and inhibit the enzyme while the cells are in culture. Since 95% of DHT is produced inside the cell, the ability of these ingredients to enter intact living cells is vital for effective inhibition of 5-alpha-reductase enzyme and reducing DHT production.”

That and(OMG..prepare to fall over) their discussion of LASER therapy can be seen here:

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by OverMachoGrande » August 4, 2008 at 5:09 pm #93276

Maybe that’s how Revivogen could say “90% effectiveness rate” with a straight face! lol…

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by Zix creator » August 4, 2008 at 5:13 pm #93277

Jacob…too much theory, not enough practice. The truth is the company that makes Revivogen….whatever happens to be in it this year…. has a long standing reputation of putting out products that don’t f-ckin work.

Make a great looking website……throw in a bunch of pseudoscience horseshit, charge way too much and people will buy it. The only decent thing this company ever made was their shampoo product.

“It’s always been “liposomal”. Every place where there’s a write-up/description of Revivogen you’ll see “Addition of liposomal delivery system is another enhancement of Revivogen formula. Liposomes are microscopic lipid packets that are used for delivery of many medications and are commonly used by the pharmaceutical companies in topical preparations. Adding liposomal delivery system further enhances the absorption of the active ingredients into the skin and aids in their delivery to the hair follicle where they can exert their effects.”

This is another line of sh-t. As the molecules sit on the scalp they break down into smaller particles which eventually do penetrate the follicle. Only they do it gradually over a longer period of time and end up being more effective. There are loads of phramaceutical topical preparations that don’t use this technology…and never needed this technology. This is just the latest line of sh-t in my opinion…the next “new and better thing” that actually costs more and is less effective. Diaper cream is loaded with zinc and it doesn’t use a liposomal technology to deliver it to the skin. Are you saying diaper cream doesn’t work because it doesn’t use liposomes?

We don’t even have any idea what is the proper dose for these topicals. So why do we think delivering more would be more effective anyway? 15% minoxidil is no more effective than the 5% stuff.

This whole liposomal thing is just another marketing ploy that will crash and burn in a few years after everyone has wasted their money on it.

Liposomal….hmmmm this is making the particles smaller so they penetrate the follicle. Sounds a lot like a glorified way of saying “emulsifier”. Super zix II and Hair Muck have an emulsifier.

Just my humble opinion.

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by Jacob » August 4, 2008 at 5:39 pm #93278

Joe..I realize you make/sell something/whatever. But there are those who have used Zix and have gotten nowhwere as well. If you want to compare ingredients..there’s no way to say “it’s just like Revivogen, only cheaper!”.

I’ve also countered your *theories* on liposomes etc not being worth anything, many times. Maybe I’ll dig them up later..at the moment I don’t see the point since I’m not selling anything. I will mention the example(s) of certain things not doing squat until liposomes/nanosomes were used. And that less is needed when liposomes/nanosomes are used(so more isn’t necessary) As for your lame diaper creme example…if something actually works, there’s no need to tinker with it. Unfortunately, alopecia is a litter harder to deal with than diaper rash.

For those interested in actually learning about the tech:

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by Zix creator » August 4, 2008 at 6:20 pm #93282

“But there are those who have used Zix and have gotten nowhwere as well.”

Jacob….You could say this about anything out there including propecia. You could also say the same thing about the products you are pushing. But more people have tried Revivogen than the zix’s. Yet there are more positive comments about the zix’s than Revivogen.

“Liposomes are microscopic lipid packets that are used for delivery of many medications and are commonly used by the pharmaceutical companies in topical preparations.”

Big frickin deal! This is exactly the same thing an emulsifier does. It takes fats (lipids) and breaks them down into smaller components. If you want even smaller components add more of an emulsifier. Liposomes are a big bullsh-t story. My guess is they used the “newer” word simply to confuse people into buying expensive crap that doesn’t work any better. Emulsifiers are cheap… but call it “liposome technology” and everyone is impressed. I’m not.

“As for your lame diaper creme example…if something actually works, there’s no need to tinker with it. Unfortunately, alopecia is a litter harder to deal with than diaper rash.”

You’re wrong again. Diaper cream works, meaning it’s “low technology” delivery system gets the zinc into the skin….into the cells. Anyone who knows anything about hair loss knows that what is good for the skin is usually good for hair. So obviously we don’t need expensive, overhyped pseudoscience to deliver zinc to skin cells. We also don’t need overhyped, overpriced crap to deliver fat soluble substances either….we just use an emulsifier. Hmmmm…what’s the third thing…hmmm….let’s see oh yea Alcohol! Now we can Nanofy virtually anything on earth!

Maybe I should change the name of Super Zix II to “Advanced Liposomal Hair Treatment”. Yea….here’s my sales pitch….”Using advanced nanotechnology to deliver a powerful new treatment for male pattern baldness”. Maybe I should change my company name “Advanced Liposomal Research”.

Nah…I’ll just stick with super zix II and Hair Muck and try to help that percentage of people smart enough to see through the hype. Too bad though. By the time many of these people realize their mistake they will be past the 30 month window.

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by Zix creator » August 4, 2008 at 8:21 pm #93305

“Liposomes are made with concentrated phospholipids purified from natural lecithin and are bio-identical to the phospholipids that make up cell membranes. The unique quality of liposomes is that they enable water-soluble and water insoluble ingredients to be used together in a formula without the use of surfactants or other emulsifiers. Water-soluble ingredients are dissolved in the water in which the phospholipids are hydrated, and when the liposomes form the ingredients are trapped in the water center.”

In otherwords….you can accomplish the very same thing with emulsifiers as you can with liposomes!

“The unique quality of liposomes is that they enable water-soluble and water insoluble ingredients to be used together in a formula without the use of surfactants or other emulsifiers.”

This is exactly what emulsifiers are used for….so you can mix oil stuff and water together. Why do we want to go without an emulusifier anyway???…..especially when the emulsifer we use in Hair Muck and Super zix II has been touted for decades as possibly a hair regrowing substance on it’s own!

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by Jacob » August 4, 2008 at 8:25 pm #93307

Zix creator said:
“But there are those who have used Zix and have gotten nowhwere as well.”

Jacob….You could say this about anything out there including propecia. You could also say the same thing about the products you are pushing. But more people have tried Revivogen than the zix’s. Yet there are more positive comments about the zix’s than Revivogen.

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You’re missing the point. Notice it was someone else who commented, first, about not seeing anybody posting positives about Revivogen. But is there evidence for your last statement there?

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“Liposomes are microscopic lipid packets that are used for delivery of many medications and are commonly used by the pharmaceutical companies in topical preparations.”

Big frickin deal! This is exactly the same thing an emulsifier does. It takes fats (lipids) and breaks them down into smaller components. If you want even smaller components add more of an emulsifier. Liposomes are a big bullsh-t story. My guess is they used the “newer” word simply to confuse people into buying expensive crap that doesn’t work any better. Emulsifiers are cheap… but call it “liposome technology” and everyone is impressed. I’m not.

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You’re quoting from the previous post. But it is NOT exactly what an “emulsifier” does. READ Elsom’s learning page, for starters. In fact, how about I just ask over at their forum?

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“As for your lame diaper creme example…if something actually works, there’s no need to tinker with it. Unfortunately, alopecia is a litter harder to deal with than diaper rash.”

You’re wrong again. Diaper cream works, meaning it’s “low technology” delivery system gets the zinc into the skin….into the cells. Anyone who knows anything about hair loss knows that what is good for the skin is usually good for hair. So obviously we don’t need expensive, overhyped pseudoscience to deliver zinc to skin cells. We also don’t need overhyped, overpriced crap to deliver fat soluble substances either….we just use an emulsifier. Hmmmm…what’s the third thing…hmmm….let’s see oh yea Alcohol! Now we can Nanofy virtually anything on earth!

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Again, diaper rash is nothing compared to androgenic alopecia. I have noticed that there are various degress of diaper rash, even..and “plain zinc” doesn’t do the trick. But on the other..I guess I’ll have to dig up those previous discussons on lipo/nanosomes.

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Maybe I should change the name of Super Zix II to “Advanced Liposomal Hair Treatment”. Yea….here’s my sales pitch….”Using advanced nanotechnology to deliver a powerful new treatment for male pattern baldness”. Maybe I should change my company name “Advanced Liposomal Research”.

Nah…I’ll just stick with super zix II and Hair Muck and try to help that percentage of people smart enough to see through the hype. Too bad though. By the time many of these people realize their mistake they will be past the 30 month window.

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You can’t say it because it wouldn’t be true. I can’t believe you actually think what you’re using is even remotely comparable to what Elsom, or even Revivogen..uses.
And I’m “arguing” with somebody who doesn’t even think there’s hope for regrowing hair unless it’s very recently lost…only holding unto what we have. Keep using that as your sales pitch

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by Zix creator » August 4, 2008 at 8:31 pm #93309

Once again Jacob…you fail to convince me of the benfits of liposomes.
Emulsifiers accomplish the very same thing with lipids. Zinc can be delivered to the skin cells without this technology.

We can deliver all our components using three things. Alcohol, an emulsifier and water. Liposome is just a hype word.

“And I’m “arguing” with somebody who doesn’t even think there’s hope for regrowing hair unless it’s very recently lost…only holding unto what we have.”

And where’s the evidence that we can?

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by Jacob » August 4, 2008 at 8:32 pm #93312

Zix creator said:
“Liposomes are made with concentrated phospholipids purified from natural lecithin and are bio-identical to the phospholipids that make up cell membranes. The unique quality of liposomes is that they enable water-soluble and water insoluble ingredients to be used together in a formula without the use of surfactants or other emulsifiers. Water-soluble ingredients are dissolved in the water in which the phospholipids are hydrated, and when the liposomes form the ingredients are trapped in the water center.”

In otherwords….you can accomplish the very same thing with emulsifiers as you can with liposomes!

“The unique quality of liposomes is that they enable water-soluble and water insoluble ingredients to be used together in a formula without the use of surfactants or other emulsifiers.”

This is exactly what emulsifiers are used for. So you can mix oil and water together. Why do we want to go without an emulusifier anyway…..especially when the emulsifer we use in Hair Muck and Super zix II has been touted for decades as possibly a hair regrowing substance on it’s own!

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Don’t forget your Ethyl Alcohol. Remember..Elsom, for one..uses no alcohol.

But you’re only pointing out one “unique” feature of such tech.

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