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creatine monhydrate + too much protien = hair loss....???

i am 27 my hair has alway been think and full. i would even ask the person cutting my hair to thin it out a bit.. my moms dad has a full head of hair at 80+. i always hear its your moms dads hair you get that trait from.? i started to work out about 1 1/2 ago. at the same time i started to take protien and creatine. my hair is getting thinner. i am starting to see my scalp easier... there is no bald spot just less hairs. i am starting to think its the creatine... but some web site i went to said it was proven too much protien will cause hair loss. if any case is true once the person stops taking the supplements will the hair slowly return... ??? if not how much do all the best solutions cost about? are any one of these better for some one like me? » Propecia » Minoxidil » Tricomin » Dutasteride » Nizoral » Revivogen » Crinagen » Folligen » Spironolactone » Proxiphen » Nano » Xandrox http://www.hairlosstalk.com/ all above info from this link.

i would be very thankfull for any advice....

2/6/2005 1:29 PM

PeachFuzz
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Weight lifting itself is associated with increased serum testosterone levels. It's a natural boost.

2/6/2005 7:22 PM

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I've kinda wondered this myself, I'm 21 with a receding hair line and I have worked out for three years, taking creatine and NO2. The doctor says I have more testosterone then normal.

2/7/2005 3:02 PM

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Interesting. I take Avodart which increases testosterone levels by 27%(which is still in the normal range). Remember, it is DHT, not Testosterone itself that contributes to MPB.

2/7/2005 5:29 PM

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Jetman said: Interesting. I take Avodart which increases testosterone levels by 27%(which is still in the normal range). Remember, it is DHT, not Testosterone itself that contributes to MPB.

But higher basal levels of testosterone means more overall turnover into DHT. That's why people who abuse steroids can start losing hair.

2/8/2005 12:32 AM

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I am a weightlifter and so is my younger brother...I have never taken weightlifting supplements or anything, and my brother has taken everything from Creatine to other common products and he has a full head of hair and thick...Although I have heard "some" weightlifting supplements make hair thin. It's different for everybody just like some hairloss treatments do not work for everybody.

2/8/2005 6:21 AM

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Well ,it does not mean that one should stop working out. Just know that protein and weight lifting increases your T, thus, do something to make sure it does transform to DHT, using Finasteride or Dutasteride will help. Personlly I would not trust Finasteride to reduce high levels of testosterone, that why I use Dutas. There is one problem with propecia that I would like to address, The half-life of Propecia is 6 hours, which means that 6 hours after taking it, your body went through half of it and after 12 hours its all gone... So on a daily basis we are increasing and decreasing our DHT/T levels which makes it harder for the body to adjust to hormonal change. (Almost like a chick on a ragJ). There for I would say that for people that work out better use Dutasteride, let alone the ones that take creatine and protain

2/14/2005 2:08 PM

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Re: creatine monhydrate + too much protien = hair loss....???

I firmly beleive creatine causes hairloss.

I started taking maximuscle creatine and just after 2 weeks i noticed i was loosing my hair on top.

i stopped taking it and my has begun to grow back slowly.

I would never take it again.

8/17/2009 3:09 PM

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I doubt the Creatine itself is causing the hairloss, although you never know. If anything creatine might be making your workouts more effective, thus boosting your testosterone. Not only will more testosterone create more DHT, but it has also been shown that if you have enough testosterone, it can bind to the DHT receptor just like DHT does.

I have definitely noticed for me personally that when I am working out is often when I have the most hair loss.

Be sure and wash your hair immediately after you work out as well.

There are other potential issues with creatine I know some people have had blood levels tested and found out they have way too much in their system... could be you might just need to back off on the quantity too.

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8/17/2009 3:13 PM

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Certainly a quick Googling reveals concern among manay that Creatine may exacerbate hair loss. OTOH, Nivea's Carnitine products also include Creatine, although this alone is not proof sufficient Creatine does not cause or exacerbate hair loss.

I am in the "no cause" camp simply because my hair loss started and was extensive well before any creatine use. Moreover, as mentioned above, increases systemic T will allow for increased local conversion to DHT.

8/18/2009 12:41 PM

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It could very well be creatine makes it worse... the only problem is you don't hear of people taking creatine and not working out. If you are lifting weights and getting an anabolic response to grow muscles, you are increasing your testosterone and other male hormones no question. So hard to say whether the loss is due to creatine vs. just working out. If I were the poster though I'd probably stop taking creatine just to be sure but that's just me

You don't need creatine anyway -- you can get the same effects without it -- it'll definitely make your muscles look bulkier temporarily while you're on it, but you still gotta put in the work either way

Want creatine -- eat liver

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8/18/2009 12:51 PM

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Ive taken creatine for 13 years and I'm not bald and the thinning hairline I have I very much doubt is due to creatine

8/19/2009 1:00 AM

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You never know theSman - a lot may depend on the amount taken. I have heard of people who had no ill effects from creatine at all, but had their blood tested and found their creatine levels were way too high to the point where it would eventually cause problems from there being too much. I don't think just using creatine would be a problem - but if he's overloading his system who knows if a side effect of too much is hair loss? I would tend to think it is related to working out but you never know. Rereading his post it says he started working out at the same time as creatine, so it sounds to me like it's the working out, not the creatine.

Personally I think anyone who knows they have hair loss and is going to be working out needs to be on something to block the extra testosterone or it's almost surely going to cause more hair loss -- I know it does for me. Propecia/finasteride and Avodart/dutasteride are the best and surest ones I know of to prevent that happening, but some people aren't comfortable taking them - if you're not going to take them find out something else that will block the hormones but I'm not sure what is going to be as surefire as one of those two treatments.

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8/19/2009 2:41 AM

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Most of my friends are professional bodybuilders. They use all the supplements available on this planet including the most dreaded STEROIDS. Out of around 30 guys I know who take creatine+ steroids+ very high protein diet only ONE is suffering from MPB ( 40+ age)

Rest all of them have a full head of thick hair.

On the contrary, most of my friends who have worked with me in Dell have either lost all their hair or are losing hair. They are workaholic guys who never hit the gym and don't take more than required amount of protein, let alone Creatine or Steroids.

Out of 7 male members in my team, 4 guys ( including me) are suffering from MPB. This is more or less the case with people who work in high stress environment.

8/19/2009 6:28 AM

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All depends on if you're vulnerable to the inflammation that DHT leads to. Increased protein consumption can be beneficial to your hair, but it's important to know what *kind* of protein you're ingesting. Store-bought meat is loaded with hormones and pharmaceuticals, many types of whey have loads of sugar-like additives that spike insulin levels, etc. these can lead to hair loss as well.

8/20/2009 12:34 PM

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From my own experience it's neither workout nor creatine nor high protein intake, that aggravates hairloss. Before taking finasteride and minoxidil, I could maintain my hair by only working out and no sex - with the latter being the master principle (and still is).

8/21/2009 3:46 PM

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if it's a battle between sex and hair... i choose sex

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8/21/2009 3:49 PM

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i know fore sure that creatine monhydrate will speed up hairloss and scalp inflammation,in a previous post if you look for it i documented it

8/22/2009 5:32 AM

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Creatine, heavy protein intake, and eating like a body builder with insulin spikes is not the way to regrow hair. I did not have significant hair loss until I started doing that sh*t. I drop the red bulls and all refined sugars, creatine, after workout insulin spikes, and eating 6 meals a day, and my hair is much better now. Oh yeah I gave up beer and pizza too, good for the abs anyway. It is a matter of priorities. Almost anybody can get 16" arms and a 4 to 6 pack abs the old fashion way. That is good enough for me.

8/22/2009 2:06 PM

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But 6 meals per day is designed to lower insulin not raise it - u should only be spiking insulin in the 45 min following a workout - if you are not taking a high carb supplement after workouts you should have lower insulin than a normal 3x per day diet

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8/22/2009 4:16 PM

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I think eating 6 times a day is not natural. Are they any studies showing that eating 6 times a day results in less insulin production for that total day? The human body is not a machine, there are all these subtle hormones and cycles going on that makes it hard to predict what will result in what.

And perhaps little packs of insulin several times a day are harder on the body than three larger ones, who knows? I don't.

The after workout insulin spike is insane imo if you have mpb.

8/22/2009 4:46 PM

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Lapwing actually the opposite of what you are saying is true -- 3 large american style meals is what is NOT natural. If you look at diets pre-1900s, large mega calorie meals were not the norm, and people ate what they could, when they could, and still didn't get enough. Our ancestors who were hunters and gatherers (which is the majority of the human timescale) ate what food they could get when they could them whether it was 2, 3, 5 or 6 times a day. Eating a meal that is 300-400 calories that is a light protein combined with a complex carbohydrate and a vegetable is going to produce VERY low insulin -- that is one of the points of a bodybuilding diet -- not just to provide adequate protein throughout the day for muscle growth but also to minimize insulin spikes which cause hunger and lead to binging. Insulin spikes are only good immediately after a strenuous workout -- but it's not necessary and I agree I'm not sure I'd recommend it for those who suffer from hairloss. You can still get results without it, it's just optimal if your primary goal is muscle growth to do that. Consuming a supplement/shake that provides an insulin boost post workout isn't even a standard part of a bodybuilding diet, just something people do who want to get the most bang for their workout buck

A proper meal designed for a bodybuilding 6 meal a day type diet should lower your insulin, not spike it ever -- you're not supposed to eat just anything those 6 meals -- they're supposed to be meals with complex carbs, protein and green veggies that will have a very low glycemic index. And if you're goal is losing weight, you'll generally be eating less than you do on a normal 3x/day typical diet from most people.

I don't know that even the after-workout spike is necessarily going to be bad anyway, because if you're eating good the rest of the day and workout out, your insulin is still going to be much lower overall throughout the day than on a typical diet... it'll just spike at that one time per day, and no more than for example having a bunch of soda with your lunch or any other typical high carb foods that are common in the average US diet. We're still talking a response equivalent to not much more than a 20oz soft drink. For most people their post workout shake is about 250-350 calories, a lot of which comes from a high glycemic carb source (tho not always) but it's also balanced with quality protein and nutrients... so still healthier than drinking a soda.

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8/22/2009 6:07 PM

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I don't know about our ancestors before written historical times. I think 40 was a very old age for them. Maybe not something we want to emulate. I don't eat like a typical american. Almost any diet is better than a typical american diet. big deal.

I got burned by the body builder diet. I am not doing it again. Good luck for everybody else who tries. I just want to let people know what my results were.

Only people with vested interest or whose hobby is bodybuilding down play the risks to MPB.

8/22/2009 7:30 PM

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I'm not downplaying the risks at all -- if you read my posts above you'll see I said the times I lift weights are when I lose the most hair. It is a huge risk if you have MPB and you shouldn't do it unless you have some way to block the DHT whatever that is which you know is effective for you. My point was that the bodybuilding style diet itself is not harmful and should be helpful. You can eat 6 portioned meals a day without lifting any weights and it will still reduce your insulin throughout the day. I was referring only to the diet, and not working out, postworkout high-GI supplements or taking creatine. The diet itself is low GI and creates a low and even state of insulin responses throughout the day. It's the other things that most people do at the same time that cause a problem for hair loss.

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8/22/2009 11:00 PM

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Hey guys what about if you dont lift any heavy weights and use lightweights to work out but more exercies targeting different part of your body using a program such as P90x and only use whey protein(grass fed source) do you think you can still from extreme or over the top shedding

8/22/2009 11:38 PM

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