One other thing I have to say that you guys are just going to have to trust me on... my hair is actually really really dark brown now. It's the reflection of the light that's giving it the reddish, light brownish hue, UNLIKE BEFORE. It's extremely shiny now and very reflective. Before, my hair looked sorta reddish because it was super thin and DEAD LOOKING, and it didn't have any shine at all. Anyway, take that for what it's worth!

These are completely unaltered except that I zoomed in on them. I might post the 600 x 800 versions of the pictures right after this so you can get a better look.

Anyway, this is truly the best that my camera can show. I'm not a professional, nor do I have some sort of "official picture taker" because I'm just AN AMATEUR! lol...

If you can't see the results, I'm sorry. If you *can* see the results, know that if you can see ANYTHING in pictures, real life is much, much more profound. ...And these are profound in real life.

Re: Might as well post some 10 month pictures...

As to those "dead" areas, I think you should look into wounding, if you already haven't. Long before I heard of anyone doing it, I discovered it accidentally. I had some cysts on my scalp that I scratched and picked at, and now I have a small stripe of thick, rejuvenated hair right over them. There's something to it, though I think it takes more profound wounding than Scalp Renew to make it happen.

Time to add some coconut oil for those gray hairs old man.

Anyway, sorry you can't see it because that's all I'm ever going to post! lol...

sdguy007...

In response to "It might help people see the difference if you take a shower, comb it forward and let it dry like that, kinda like it was in the old pics"... that's exactly what I did. I did *exactly* everything like the old pics, and if I did any sort of other styling it would no longer be accurate. I *can't* get those hairs to lay down! lol... That is my hair now, and I can't stress the difference enough!

Sans Follicles...

I was one of the original Regrowth wounders like, I don't know... maybe August 2007 or something?? I only stuck with it for about a month though. I do believe in the merits, it's just I was kind of lazy to do it. Maybe I'll start it again.

The difference you guys are seeing is *not* a result of the hair drying in a certain way, or anything like that. This is why I've been describing the old hair as "bald man's hair". It's dead looking -and looks like fried straw actually. Now, what's funny is that back then I wouldn't have necessarily described it as that because that was "normal" to me.

Now, with the new pictures, the difference is astounding. They are so much thicker, healthier, vibrant, and almost "wet" looking. I don't really need to clarify this anymore because I think they really speak for themselves, but I just wanted to point out that everything was done the same... I just have a different man's head of hair now, and that includes an hour after I get out of the shower, brush it, and let it dry! lol... It's the head of hair I SHOULD have had!

If I didn't take them under fluorescent lights to begin with , you would have seen more detail, too... both with the "emptiness" of the originals and the "fullness" of the new ones. Oh well, let that be a lesson for everyone! lol...

Those are some fantastic pictures.

I'll tell all those people who have an untrained eye like DismembermentPlan who think it's only a 5% change. Look at the hair closely. Do you see how somewhere around 1/5th of the hair in the MPB is so thin that it looks like it's on the wait out very soon. Well look at the after pics. You'll see that they are all very thick. "THE PICS IN THE AFTER ARE SO THICK THEY ARE ALL STANDING STRAIGHT UP almost like a mohawk!!!" And again, look at the before one more time ... it would be impossible to get that much volume without gel!!!

The same thing happened to my hair. My hair had "zero" volume that it literally fell over the top of my head. Now it's so thick that it's like the guy on ad from Hair2Go on this forum.

Not to mention with the regrowth it is also another huge plus.

Anyway, congrats OMG!!!

Looking good.

I didn't really notice anything until the second set of pictures. Hair thickness has increased...looks fuller.

I think people have to appreciate that the longer hair in the before photos provides a lot more coverage than the shorter hair in the after photo. Firstly, it's longer so it overlaps. Secondly, it sits totally flat. Wearing your hair "up" shows more scalp. Despite these two issues though, the coverage from the shorter hair in the after photos is BETTER than the longer hair in the before photos. More scalp is seen, but the scalp that is seen is covered with a blur of thickened hair. I'm sure if OMG grew it out a bit more and added some concealer / products it would be a very decent head of hair.

Thanks again OMG

Spurred me on to take some pics myself and post em.

More to the point at first I would say I saw a 5% difference too. But looking again yes there is a difference in the thickness and strength of the hair.

Thats more then you can say of any topica on the market right now.

I'm with (most) of the others in seeing a big improvement. The funny thing about improvements is that the person experiencing them notices all of the minute details. You can feel the texture change in your own hair and how much better your scalp feels. Those are intagibles that pics can't display very well.

Seeing even the smallest sign of improvement after years of agressive loss and years of using products that don't live up to the hype has got to make you feel good. Hell, it made you feel so good, you couldn't keep it in and made a comprehensive website about it! I think a lot of folks appreciate it and though I haven't built myself a helmet yet, the work you put into your site and the others who have contributed make me feel as though it's an easy feat.

one more question..... how long havent hairs on these spots?? cause i have lost, was in the last 2- 3 Years... before there was nothing

Now i'm really chomping at the bit for those lasers to come in.

I would have expected a bit more as you were talking about an "amazing success" =/. Don't take it negatively though, i know how hard it is to show some success with pics only.

Come on... what's the FIRST THING people usually say when they are looking at "after" pictures?? "The hair is longer so it's covering more scalp"! lol...

See, you guys are turning this into another "no win" type of thing when it's clearly a "win"! If I had hair that wasn't shorter, you SAME PEOPLE instead would be looking for how my hair must be just covering my scalp more, without seeing what is truly right in front of your face.

Anyway, you peeps can asign all the "5%" or whatever amount you want (and it's way more than that, but I digress) -that's fine and all, but what I want you guys to see is how my hair is completely different! The originals were TEN MONTHS AGO. That's almost a year ago! I have a feeling if most people NOT doing lasers took 10 month before and after pictures, you would have lost ground, not gained it... and certainly not changed your hair texture to be more youthful, vibrant, and thicker!

This is a victory. Those bald patches have more-than-likely completely dead follicles and aren't coming back except with a transplant, and I new that already and I've been telling you guys that forever. But what I've experienced is a TOTAL VICTORY because I've stopped my hair loss. How? With lasers! ...You know, the thing that allegedy "CAN'T WORK" because there is "no such phenomenon"! LMAO....

Anyway, I'm glad most of you can see it! ...And I freaking HATE this thread with these pictures, which is why I haven't been responding much. I really hate seeing these pictures like this and I'm trying to avoid this thread, even if they do show clear regrowth and texture change! lol...

-O.M.G.

Don't know what to tell you, man. This *is* amazing success. Sorry you either can't see it, or have unrealistic expectations. Either way, I don't have time to figure it out.

-O.M.G.

Here's an image that clearly shows how thick and how much regrowth occured. I dunno why you other guys can't see it.

and again, I've said it before but it's important to say again. Seeing this on a computer screen is one thing. Seeing this in real life is 1000 times better ... at least for my regrowth it is.

But you had to pick the one with that gray hair poking right up, didn't you?

But you get me wrong once again, OMG. Just like "If you can't see it i'm sorry for you".

btw, how many diodes are you using now?

edited: Oh, I'm using the equivalent of 430 diodes and it's way better than 201 diodes

It's so brave from you to post those pictures !!!

I saw the pictures that you posted the last time with longer hair and I can tell that is incredible results !!!

Congrats man, and thanks for sharing

I've submitted pictures which -once you really understand how to look at them (taking your own helps)- I feel show clear success, especially for a 35 year old that has had very little headway (ZERO if you take away Zix) against hair loss over more than a decade of fighting a losing battle. In 10 months -an EON of time for hairloss- I've not only regrown a little bit, but I have CEASED my hair loss and radically changed my hair to the hair of a youngster!

By the way, the placement of my fingers have NOTHING to do with it, so maybe I will bust your ass a little on that part. If you look closer you can clearly tell that.

Sonic74...

Yeah, dude... I am so "naked" under those lights! When my hair is long, it's even better than it was when I just snapped a picture when I got out of bed that morning. I'm SO PISSED I cut it this short! I was SO CLOSE to a "Joey Lawrence" haircut! lol...

That's why I need a Flowbee. But anyway, I'm glad I fucked up and cut it this short because that's the only reason I took this set of pictures. Believe me... I don't EVER intend to have it this short or as short in the original pictures again! Any other pictures I take from now on will have MUCH LONGER HAIR!

I probably wouldn't have posted any more if I didn't cut it this short because the outcry would have been "but your hair is longer so it's covering more of the scalp!"

Anyway, I hope everyone "gets it" with the fact that this is 10 months time, so even if someone was using some product with some sort of "fake" benefit (like from a hair thickener or something) it would have shown a LOSS over that long of a time period, not the same or a gain!

Guys, seriously, I hate this thread so I might not post in it any more. I can't stand looking at myself like that! lol...

-O.M.G.

If your lasers are on that second group buy... DON'T HOLD YOUR BREATH! lol... I'm still waiting for 40 of them, 38 of which I might put on the helmet. I have totally forgotten what the total will bring me to, though (Amsch). I'll have to recount or check my old posts or something.

Do you have any idea how many grafts you would want if you could do another transplant?

I cannot believe this man. I was about 20 bristles away from finishing the helmet, so I went to try it on and it has had this "conehead" shape that I thought would go down once it was on my head- the bristles weren't even touching mead there. So being the compulsive person I am I try and make it fit by cutting it down the middle. Needless to say it is ruined now and I have to start from scratch. If I had a cat I'd kick it.

I've technically got like 10 cats with all the strays, so you can kick one of them!

BUT WAIT!!! Before you do anything rash... you flipped it inside out, right? And also, this is more important: you do remember that those diodes actually weigh a good bit, right? The cone actually works in your favor because it helps disperse the weight down to the sides more! I had a cone, too, but the diodes push it down, and it actually causes the diodes to probably be "lighter" (resisting gravity a bit).

Also, I feel that it's "broken in" a little, too, now that I've used it a lot. I think I remember that in the very beginning maybe some of the top middle brush bristles were a tad bit off of the scalp, but they are NOT anymore!

So, all of that means you are probably fine! Don't kick the cat unless you have to!

Whovian...

That's a damn good question, and I honestly don't have any idea at all. I'll probably get one sometime next year so I'll let you know. Dr. Marcko is in Charlotte, and that's many hours from here, and I want to go to the same guy -even for just a consultation. At the time I got it, I though "1200" was a lot because it filled in MASSIVE AMOUNTS of my barren temples. After hearing some of these other guys that get 2000, 3000, and on up though, I'm slightly confused (and I do wonder if they aren't getting hosed a bit).

I love that avatar, by the way!

Re: Might as well post some 10 month pictures...

I mentioned earlier in this thread that I have experienced a natural "wounding" type effect. I'd like to get your thoughts on it.

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/533/woundingep1.jpg

That photograph is an extreme closeup of the affected area. The black block was provided in order to avoid turning anyone's stomach, since it's still healing. Basically, I've been having to dig these bony cysts from my scalp for the past few years. They've been creeping toward the area formerly known as my hairline. But you can clearly see that the hair over the old sites (up and to the left of the block), which were mangled beyond recognition as I pried those b*stards out, has been somehow revitalized.

It is this effect that leads me to believe that there's something to this wounding thing, and that it isn't necessarily vital to use any of the Follica chemicals. The only thing that ever touched that area was minoxidil.

In any case, if I could figure it out, I would do it to my entire scalp, scar tissue be darned. There is some inflammation in that picture, but it's probably partially due to the fact that I needled last night. But then again, it could be chronic. This is the first time I've seen it that close-up.

Yeah, I see what you are talking about with that cabbage patch of revitalized hair! Wow... that's interesting. There is *definitely* something to the wounding -that's obviously been proven in labs (and on your head)- but since you've had clear results with the "digging" thing, I'm wondering in your case if you should be doing MORE damage. It seems like prying the cysts out would be doing more than needling.

Lord knows, I have no idea what I'm talking about though! lol... But man, I really think all those vellous hairs could be salvageable with lasers. It might take a long time to do the necessary healing, but I'd KILL to have those in my "bald patches".

Keep us posted about that, though! That's really interesting!

-O.M.G.

In any case, the damage is profound. I have just been hoping that needling and scratching might give me similar results, without having to cut chunks out of my noggin. Make no mistake, though. If I thought it would work, I would do it!

The noteworthy thing about it, though, is that these cysts are relatively huge and seem to form around the affected follicle. For a diameter of a few millimeters, the skin is DESTROYED when I remove one. And yet, the places where they've healed is the thickest area of hair growth in my balding zone. That has to mean something. I am convinced that the cure lurks somewhere in my weird little scalp.

I appreciate you saying that about the vellus hairs--that is encouraging. To bring those back to life has been my great hope, and that's why I built my Laser Obama. I've been using it for about 3 weeks now. If it has half the effect on those vellus hairs as your treatments have had on your hair, I will be thrilled.

how much time does follicles stay alive??????

I agree OMG's photos show some good growth. In the before pictures you can see a lot more scalp... at first I was expecting a lot more but then I was also expecting a lot less in terms of hair loss for the before photos. For some reason I always imagined OMG as having "slight" hair loss. Don't know why! The hair definitely does look thicker.

If you respond as well has OMG has, you should end up with a full head of hair. I am in a similar situation as you though I am losing my temples too. It would make a big difference if I could thicken up what I still have.

I wish I had a tool like a paper hole punch that you could just squeeze and it'd work! Of course, it'd have to have a really long handle or whatever. I suppose that could be built, but whatever! lol...

You know... I think I've pretty much gotten all of those "foam holes" that I pounded out and that went all over the place. I haven't seen one in a few weeks! I'm sure there are some behind the fridge... but that is not my problem! lol...

-O.M.G.

Those 'bony cysts" creeping towards your hairline sound a lot like the eruptions I suffered. Good news is that once they were over is I started seeing regrowth.

Still hoping to get to the 4 year update. I'm inspired by the pictures and will try and post some. I don't have the same camera and my hair is past my shoulders now (compared to the short hair I had at the time of the first pictures), but I'll see what I can do.

I used to wax my mustache a lot (due to ingrown hairs if i shaved them, eeew..dont ask). -- The first time i waxed my whole upper lip bursted with inflamation, the next day. I lasted a week until i finally decided to by a bottle of red whine and drink myself into the comfort zone because of all the stress. -- The next day the inflamation of the follicles was GONE. GONE!!! no whiteheads puss or whatever. (drank the whole bottle here). Is it the domodex parasite just nestling into the fress wounds and partying??? And how did red wine (or was it the alcohol intake) solve it.?

Really? I am fascinated. Is your story posted here somewhere? If there are some similarities between your eruptions and my cysts, I would be eager to hear more about it. I have been completely stymied by this for years.

Click the magnifying glass at the bottom of my posts. This will take you to my post history and you can start there.

I've been onto parasites like demodex and fungus for about four years, but I've just started to look into calcium forming organisms (nanobacteria that builds calcium phosphate shells to protect themselves from the immune system.

So yes, this would mean that thSman's recent pictures are temporarily gone, Rosario's lasermax modifications are gone, and chore boy's pics are gone also. They *should* be back, though... at least that's what they are telling me.

If not... I'll be pissed. There isn't much I can do but wait right now.

About the second part and the "legal action"... yeah, it sounds stupid, but don't forget that this hair loss industry is full of bigger thugs than the entire Chicago political scene.

"Had I had never tried Rogaine Foam, I wouldn't have quite so many dead patches!"

maybe you've said this before, but are you saying Rogaine worsened your hair? I'm 23 and trying EVERYTHING to keep my hair. Propecia, custom laser helmet (thanks btw), switching daily between Nizoral/Nioxin shampoo, and of course Rogaine 5% topical. Should I discontinue my Rogaine in your opinion?

I go in for my 2nd AND LAST transplant this month. it will be an additional 1500 grafts to my original 1300 in my hairline. That is the only area me and my doctor are concerned with (Dr. Ziering, West Hollywood, CA). I WILL NOT do any more transplants to the hairline. We agreed to fill it in straight across this time.

So if possible, could you give me some of your insight on the rogaine? I use it at my crown 2x a day to avoid any possible thinning which my cause for another transplant. Looking at the family tree, i'm due back for operation in 5 yrs.

Graeme also has no damned clue what he's talking about.

I'm actually going to make an effort to delete comments like that when ANYONE posts pictures, so if I miss them, let me know. The qualification is this: If it's "discouraging", it's gone. It's as simple as that.

Still Searching...

Yeah, man... it's such an OBVIOUS thickening! It's crazy, and that's why I wish I had this five years ago because I would have kept my hair! Literally, my hair in the MPB zones hasn't been this thick since I was a kid.

I suspect that almost everyone would get results like that, too. That's what lasers do best... they "fix" your hair and thicken it!

Ok, about Rogaine: you know, I should really write a blog about my experiences with Rogaine Foam because I am NOT ALONE. I think Lakers here also had the same experience. I really do think it KILLED my hair, and I will argue with anyone that tells me otherwise because I've had many, many years of experience with a multitude of products, so I know what minox does to my head.

But look... Rogaine *does* work for some people. So, if it works for you, stick with it! Here is the rule of thumb: If you've used it for at least a few months and your hair has gotten much thinner,is horribly greasy, is in one giant shed cycle, and all-around looks workse because of it... DUMP IT. If you are sitting there looking in the mirror saying "Ok, well maybe NEXT MONTH is the month that this stuff will start working for me, and my hair will fill in and everything will look great"... it will never happen, so drop it! You'll be stuck with horrible, greasy, thin hair, always hoping that one day that will change... AND IT NEVER WILL! lol... I wish someone had said that to me years ago because it would have saved me a lot of trouble.

I think with some of us, minox just reacts horribly with our hair. I honestly think that the reason is because it's too strong for us, and -even though I refuse to test this hypothesis- I think 2% would actually be much more effective. Actually, I think .5% would be much more effective!

But like I said, hey... it works GREAT with some people! If it works for you, fantastic! Keep using it, and it could only be a good thing to use lasers, minox, and propecia together if they are all effective on their own.

-O.M.G.

But i do believe in what i said,i just think that when your hair gets to a stage that there is not much you can with it,the best thing to do is cut it short.

Every women will tell you it's the best thing to do,it's not a good look when your hair is thin and its long.

Look,i dont like to be rude,but it's what i believe in my heart is the best thing to do instead of looking to think how can i get my hair back.

sorry again Graeme

but i have been using Fin and Minox since 1999 and have had a great result with just that!. Not all the other rubbish that people waste there money on in hope of stopping there hairloss.

95% of things are scams in hairloss,it just takes you time to work it out.

King Regards Graeme

I've been using both Revita shampoo and Longview Farms Emu Oil shampoo for over two years now (and the emu alone for a year or two before that) -alternating them both whenever I see fit, but usually I'll use Revita in the AM and Emu in the PM. So yes... I've been using the same shampoo for a LONG TIME!

I don't contribute any success to shampoos at all, though... I'd been using that combo for 6-8 months when I was going through the WORST part of hair loss fight, too! I think they mearly have the power to give you a better "hair day" -and perhaps they can be antifungals as well (Nizoral)- but and that's it, and I know I'm in disagreement with a lot of people here about that.

It is kinda hard to tell because of the difference in length of hair plus the hair is "styled" differently in the after pics... I do know from experience that longer hair does help to cover up better but only til it reaches a certain length -- after which the longer hair looks limp and less full. That's been my experience anyway. Which is why I get a haircut every six or seven months, LOL!

I even waited the exact same amount of time after the shower (1 hour), brushed it the same way, cut it with the same measurements (although it ended up slightly shorter because of my modified clipper thing). You guys do realize that it's only about 1/4 to 1/2 inch shorter, right? It's not like it's 2 inches shorter or anything... it's really close. And yeah, shorter hair hides LESS, so I'm way more exposed that I would be if it was longer.

Plus, when it's longer -like even when it's twice as long as it is now- it STILL wants to stand up and be "alive" like that! It's gravity defying... which, yes, makes it a bitch to neaten up sometimes, but that's sort of a problem that a [formerly] balding guy wants to have! Am I right?!

But yeah, you are right that if my hair was longer -or even the same length (which it probably is right now), it would look even more full up until it got about five inches long or so. My "flowbee goal" is to keep it at about 4 or 4 1/2 inches on top, because I think that will be the optimal length. And that's the great thing about the Flowbee... I can do that!

Anyway, y'all stop posting on this damn thread! lol... I'm sick of it being bumped up because even though my hair looks much better (and radically different) than it used to, I still hate seeing those pictures!

I'm glad most people can right away see the difference and say "DAY-UMN!", though. It's exactly how I've been saying it was for six months now... radically thicker, more vibrant, much shinier and younger looking, and a little regrowth, but definitely a complete halt to any further loss. People's jaw drop that know me and have seen the difference in person ...And I don't expect to lose any more at all being that my hair quality has reverted back to this pre-balding state.

MOST EVERY ONE OF YOU (the success rate is phenomenal) can have this same experience, you know... and for the life of me, I can't figure out why all you guys aren't approaching the one year mark like I am. I made it really obvious what I was doing and what my intentions were since June 2007! All you guys were observing and taking part in the same conversations and data/studies/proof that I was seeing and finding... it's not like it was a secret!

How come I came up with a different decision to spring into action than you guys did?? I'm not any smarter or less jaded than any other person in here, even though you guys are making me seem that way! GUYS... THE EVIDENCE IS IN FRONT OF YOUR FACE. I'm at the point where I'm really feeling that if you AREN'T using lasers like this, then you aren't really concerned with fighting for you hair. That's the *only* conclusion I can come up with... you don't have the motivation to keep your hair like I do. That's the difference.

That's fine if you are only somewhat concerned about it, but I'm not here for fun (well, ok, I am a little bit), I'm here so I don't have to lose any more hair and be like my grandfather. ...And now that isn't going to happen because I BEAT THIS.

So, back to history, in December 2007 I finally put together my device and started using it, and only Jdp710 really sprung into action at the same time with a similar design. You know, Jdp710... the guy that ALSO had great results.

I'm glad that a lot of you are starting to do it NOW, but come one... NO ONE has really had great results until this laser stuff, so I don't understand the hesitation or the reluctance to jump right on this when we first started figuring out the basics. I really don't. I would bet that most people -even the people that THINK they have held ground since December 20