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HairWinsTheRace
Regrowth.com Member Registered: Jan 2007 Posts: 173 |
Minox and arginine dilate and activate NOxide in the scalp. Caffeine constricts blood vessels and it's been said does the opposite of minox. Both seem to work for hair growth agents. So... ?? ... could this contradiction be part of the trouble with the missing link to hair growth? Does using both topically make any sense at all? I'll assume the constriction concept has to do with cutting off blood supply to follicle and therefore the DHT in the bloodstream ... or does it have to do with blood getting to the follicle just enhancing inflamation? And does dilation concept merely deal with the nutrients in the blood reaching the follicle?
Is there anything besides caffeine that may constrict vessels and help hair ... provided one believes that's a good thing?
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11/5/2009 4:49
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Hair Maestro
Regrowth.com Member Registered: Nov 2008 Posts: 13 |
I'm not sure, the active ingredients in nasal decongestant sprays work by constricting blood vessels and they do it much more than caffeine. They also must be safe for topical application because you spray them up your nose. I also have very hairy nostrils since I started using them!
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11/6/2009 11:26
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Zixcreator
Regrowth.com Member Registered: Jan 2009 Posts: 166 |
I think minoxidil works inspite of its vasodilation. To me it seems there is more evidence to support vasoconstriction as being helpful rather than vasodilation. In fact I believe vasodilation actually speeds up the process of balding. I've said this before but I'll say it again: I once read somewhere about a bald guy who received a nasty scalp laceration as a result of an automobile accident. The result was a permanent reduction of blood flow to one side of his scalp. Months later his hair was growing back on the side with the reduced blood flow! In Belgium there are surgeons and hairclinics offering galeatomie and 'onderbinding'(blood breaches above the ears will be burned, so less blood supply to the head will be the consequence) to the treatment as a solution against hairloss. Belgium is not exactly a third world country. They are a country of rules and laws therefore if such a surgery is even permitted there must be some efficacy for the procedure. Maybe it would help if we think about it like this. Suppose MPB has a purpose. Suppose there is some benefit to being bald. Suppose what is going on with the balding patient is a simple case of "the body knows best". Perhaps it has something to do with sunlight and the skins ability to absorb more of it? I don't know but just assume for a moment that it has some benefit...or at least it had some benefit thousand of years ago when we were hunter gatherers. Then it would stand to reason that slowing blood flow to the scalp would slow the process of what the body is trying to accomplish. Just like when you slow the blood flow to a cut or a sore...it heals slower. It takes the body longer to accomplish what it is trying to do. I think what threw us down the path of "more blood flow is good" is minoxidil. It is a vasodilator. However there are many other vasodilators that you could rub on your head but they will not regrow hair. Minox does not regrow hair because it increases blood flow. It grows hair inspite of the fact that it increases blood flow. It works by an entirely different mechanism. To me vasodilation is just another way of saying inflammation. There also seems to be a difference between short term vasodilation and chronic, long term vasodilation. Short term vasodilation is sometimes good because I believe it can often result in a long term decrease in vasodilation and inflammation. In the skin there are precursors of inflammation known as histamine precursors. If you apply something that "uses up" the supply of these histamine precursors it will take awhile for the body to replace these. During that period you would have a decrease in vasodilation and inflammation. For example when you apply a topical form of azelaic acid to the scalp most people will get redness, itching, etc. But if you keep applying it day after day this temporary inflammation will gradually become less and less. Why? To me it seems applying the AA regularly uses up the supply of histamine precursors. The question is whether the AA is "using up" the right histamine precursors.
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11/6/2009 6:56
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Lava212
Regrowth.com Member Registered: Dec 2008 Posts: 488 |
I like the way you are analyzing this. I've got a few ideas. I definetely think hairloss is a negative attribute. If we were meant to be bald as humans I feel that it would be the dominant trait and would be present from birth or from an early age (like reptiles). Our whole head would be bald and not just the top where it looks hideous. Having hair has much more advantages than the possibility of the one about increased sunlight absorption. It retains sweat, allowing cooling during the summer, prevents sun damage, insulates during the winter, and looks bad ass when styled right. Just look at how women revere their own hair; both sexes find hair attractive. I find animals hair very attractive also. The reason we lose our hair is because our DNA is shat. We have a susceptibiiity that others don't, like any illness. Some people (rock stars for example) can wreck their bodies and still come out with great hair. Crap, Ozzy, Jimmy Page, Robert Plant, Roger Waters, David Bowie and many others are still full headed. Even obese individuals still sometimes have great hair. In our case the body is actually reponding correctly to our genes. We don't like it and are "rebelling". Our genes as humans are going downhill. White people have the highest instance of hairloss. I like being white, but we have bad odds. Sucks
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11/6/2009 7:39
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